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Old 05-03-2014, 12:41 PM
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Dishwasher safe?

Probably a question that has been answered before, but I couldn't find in my searching.

Is ACRAGLAS ok for use in a dishwasher?

I am working on a kitchen knife (Ray, sorry for missing the KITH.) for Mother's Day and want to ensure all the materials I am using can stand the abuse of a modern kitchen. Some dishwashers have "sanitize" functions that get hot. The steel (AEB-L) and scales (G10) will be okay, but not sure about the temperature specs on ACRAGLAS.

Or would you recommend something else, or no adhesive at all? Any comments or anecdotal experience appreciated.

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Old 05-03-2014, 02:18 PM
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I can not say on Acraglas but not alot of kitchen knife makers that use it.
The one system that I do know about is the West System G/flex. It is a marine epoxy
that a lot of makers are switching to. From what I have read, temp rating is 200F.
Dishwasher should run between 120F - 140F.
Here is a link to tell you further about West:
http://www.alphaknifesupply.com/zdata-adhesives.htm

Hope this helps out a little. Hopefully someone can chime in on Acraglas
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Old 05-03-2014, 02:33 PM
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Dan,

It is a general rule, especially where fine knives are concerned, that you never put one in a dishwasher! Even if all the materials can stand the heat and water the edge will deteriorate.

To answer your exact question though, no epoxy can stand the heat of a dishwasher - pretty much all of them soften with heat. So, my first suggestion is to explain to your mom how to take care of a good knife. Failing that, then the AcraGlas or the West Systems stuff is as good as any ....


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Old 05-03-2014, 03:23 PM
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My feeling would be that Acraglas would be ok in the dishwasher. It has to stand up to a potentially hot barrel. However, I'm with Ray in feeling that all knives should be kept out of one for other reasons.

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Old 05-03-2014, 08:56 PM
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Thanks for the input guys. I will be using Acraglas, but certainly agree that there needs to be some educating on usage and storage (and sharpening!)

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Old 05-03-2014, 09:38 PM
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Yes, there is needed to be some education in the usage, storage, and sharpening of knives but most people just aren't interested. They want the quick and easy way.

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I couldn't agree more: fine knives do not belong in the dish washer. Two reasons - no, actually three: for one, the hot water will, over time, deteriorate the handle material and the steel, but more importantly, it is the soap. Non-sudsing dish machine detergents all contain chlorine and phosphates which both are known to attack steel (especially stainless), a process which is aggravated by the heat of the water. That razor sharp edge is very thin, and the chlorine will eat away at it immediatley. Lastly, for safety reasons a sharp or pointed knife presents a danger when placed in a dish washer's cutlery basket or alongside the dishes in the rack. My dad is a retired butcher and his rules were always clear: never wash a knife in water which is too hot to put your hands into, and: wash it, wipe it, and put it away. After fifty years on the job he can still count off all ten...


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Old 05-05-2014, 10:13 PM
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and: wash it, wipe it, and put it away.
Yep, so simple you'd need someone to help you mess it up.


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Part of the glue wars saga was putting the samples in the dishwasher. The acraglass sample held up the best of all the samples. So if for some reason the knife is placed in the dishwasher inadvertently it should hold up just fine. Now educate Mom and everything will be fine.


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you never put one in a dishwasher!
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I'm with Ray in feeling that all knives should be kept out of one for other reasons. Doug
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I couldn't agree more: fine knives do not belong in the dish washer. , wipe it, and put it away. ..
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Having a dishwasher at home is very important. You surely need one in your kitchen. You should try looking at the dept store or a local mart in your town.
What on Earth are you going on about? For crying out loud. This isn't a home improvement forum.
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