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Old 02-15-2020, 04:49 PM
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Thanks for the input. I too thought this to be early black Micaeta... but closer look led me to believe it to be brown from a longitudinal cut. It seems Randall was very careful to properly ID his knives with stamp and etch. The “Randall Made, Orlando Fla.” etch pattern was created in mid 1963. The “Randall Made, Solingen” etch pattern dates from the 2nd order for Solingen blades which were delivered without the ricosso stamp. It also dates from about mid-1963.

If this is a Solingen blade, mismarked, it would be pretty strange. Occums razor...i believe it is more likely Orlando, with the early humped teeth feature... and I think it likely to be late 1963. I would emphasize the early blade shape, teeth characteristics, and actual Orlando stamp, iver blade-shape-made-later with mis-marked stamp. If it is indeed black Micarta, I would move manufacture up a year. I wonder how and if the metallurgy could be tested to ID Randall O2 steel vs Solingen steel? Ciao.

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Old 02-15-2020, 05:40 PM
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I spoke to the owner about it, and it is definitely black micarta.

I have no doubt is it a Solingen blade, just by looking at it. Seen enough of them to know. Early Orlando humps tended to be a bit "softer" and not as pronounced.

Orlando humps were pretty much gone by late 50's I believe, and probably a bit earlier. Again, it depends on how many were forged and used at any given time. Some I am sure sat in the bin as did I believe this 14 being discussed, not relative to forging of course being a Solingen, but in use. In any case, I surmise the Orlando 14 grind as we know it came about because it is easier to forge and finish, and it differentiates the Orlando hand forged blade from the Solingen made blade. This, despite the fact that an Orlando hump forging was the original pattern for the Solingen blades.

Rough grinding a blade for an 18 in this case, and having it sit for a couple years, would not be out of the ordinary back in the day.

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Old 02-17-2020, 01:49 AM
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Regarding the strange m-14, here is a close-up of the blade and stamp. I would have immediately thought this to be Solingen except for the etched logo. I suppose it is possible to envision a scenario early in the shop's use of their own in-house etching capability (1963) where someone used the wrong logo etching template.



This (below) is a close-up of the handle. This photo and blow up of others exhibited in the offer on e-bay led me to consider it to be brown Micarta from a longitudinal cut.



However, I have I've noticed some of my own m-14s with early black Micarta handles occasionally exhibit a brownish cast when photographed... not all, just some. Notice the second knife from left that looks to be brown Micarta. It is actually early black Micarta.



Whatever... the knife is unusual by either count... the mistaken logo or a brown Micarta Orlando blade made to look like a Solingen. Thanks for your input. I'm now somewhat glad I didn't chase the original auction and recycle the Orlando-saw tooth I already own. Ciao

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Old 02-17-2020, 10:19 PM
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I had some questions as to the micarta as the photos were not the best. I opted out because I didn't want to take the risk of it being black.

In the photo of the handle you posted, you will note in the very center there is the filled hole visible. It appeared to be black resin, not brown. More importantly was the yellowing of the canvas was very evident, which you wouldn't see in brown micarta.

So, that is how I came to my conclusion.

The etching I think was simply a mistake.
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Old 02-19-2020, 12:58 PM
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This is a close-up photo of the Micarta handle of Lt. Corocan's Solingen carbon m-14 pictured in detail in earlier post (see page 10). The knife was bought in mid-1965 and carried in Vietnam.



This is almost certainly a predominantly black Micarta handle yet extensive handling and the photo effect I mentioned gives the flats of it brownish hue. It seems that the early Micarta material used a brown canvas of sorts in a ply (?) which is picked up in pixels by digital cameras. Where the material was heavily touched (finger grips) the oil and wear remained blackish. Later Micartas did not exhibit this characteristic.

What this means is that while the strange teethed m-14 certainly has a brown look in the photo, (and it may be brown pending in-hand examination) a collector should be cautious about judging brown Micarta solely from a single picture. Also be aware that a block of Micarta could be cut in several ways giving a different look to pieces from the same source. And each block was indeed different ... hence the very early reddish "brown Micarta," and the deeper chocolate " brown Micarta" used later.

This is just a heads up for collectors without the ability to actually closely examine a knife before buying it on-line. Joe and others can elaborate with greater expertise and experience. Ciao.

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