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Old 03-03-2004, 04:22 PM
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Question Plunge cuts or no plunge cut?

I am not a fan of plunge cuts.i love knives with none,and i personnally prefere to use a collar instead of a plunge.i have been spending much of my knife making time developing my collar skills.i am curios as to what others like and dislike about plunge cuts and wether or not the market will support knives without them and what you like and dislike about blade collars.

i have decided not to use plunge cuts myself but i am always interested in other points of view
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Old 03-03-2004, 04:52 PM
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on my tradional style knives a lot of times i don't plunge- but many people expect to see it. with a flat or hollow grind, i would think you'd want one- convex, either way. but it's nice to do want you da-- well please. how about a little more detail on collers- i've never used one- guess just never thought of it. paul


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Old 03-03-2004, 04:57 PM
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I never do plunge cuts, mainly because my grinder is not suitable, and I never learned to do it, but also I have always suspected that a plunge cut was just another stress riser. Yes, tell us more what you mean by "collar" in connection with No-Plunge cuttedness."


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Old 03-03-2004, 10:30 PM
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blade collars are also known as habaki in japanese.the collar is the part in front of the guard on japanese swords,im sure you have seen the Enchanted Blade,it uses a collar.if you look at many of Dementia's blades,he uses them frequently,also there is a tutorial link if you search under habaki,the thread is titled habaki making and the author is Cali92.i prefere the look of collars as opposed to plunge cuts,they add a bit of class to qoute Tai.
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Old 03-04-2004, 03:09 AM
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I like plunge cuts or whatever you call them


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Old 03-04-2004, 06:48 AM
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It depends on the knife really.But I loath to have to do them


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Old 03-04-2004, 09:27 AM
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I don't like a plunge cut on convex grinds I do very few flat grinds and try not to do it then. The only place I use them is on hollow grinds. Gib


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Old 03-04-2004, 09:34 AM
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It depends on the knife. Some knives just would not look right if a plunge cut had not been used. I do not think it is necessary or even desirable on to use a plunge cut on all knives.

As far as collars are concerned, on the right knife they look great. They look out of place to me on some of the knives I have seen with them.


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Old 03-04-2004, 10:53 AM
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to you fellows who don't plunge , you must try it, you 'll never know how much fun the rest of us are having. it's 1/2 the fun of grinding, getting everything all nice and even, looking the same on both sides and all. might lose a little hair- but a head full of hair is highly over rated anyways. paul


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Old 03-04-2004, 01:00 PM
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Mongo like Clean, Crisp, Plunge lines

Also like the Convex with no plunge on
some knives, like Gib's and Larry Kemp's..


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Old 03-04-2004, 02:09 PM
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no grinder here
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Old 03-04-2004, 09:56 PM
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McAhron, i know of a knifemaker who does it all with a file- does nice plunge "file" cuts. paul


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plunge cuts cause me to cuss and drink late into the evening, like tonight. Blade looked good, plunges looked baaad. Switched to clamping a steel piece on and snugged up to it with the 1" grinder. Eh, still sucked. I like the idea of no plunges, but how do you make the transition between blade and ricasso?

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I rarely do plunges on any of my blades as I forge almost entirly to shape most of the time and the only grinding I do is to remove scale and a bit of refining. However..........there are a number of blade styles that I do not do often that really do look better with a plunge cut (I use a jig I made from a couple of peices of a file and some allen screws to keep em straight and even).


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how do you make the transition between blade and ricasso?
If it looks good when your done, and it works well when your using it.........does there really need to be a defined transition? If you look at a lot of the forged to shape blades you will notice that many times the only transition is the choil and that is most times enough.


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Old 03-05-2004, 12:26 AM
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McAhron, you can always ask the guys here for a grinder for your birthday, no?Happy Birthday
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