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Old 01-17-2006, 07:33 AM
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That is true the KMG will also take all the bader attachments.Bader has many attachments other than the small wheel.My big decideing factor was direct drive over belt drive.I have never heard a complaint about the bader or the KMG,from all I can find the Coote is not a bad road to travel.


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Old 01-17-2006, 06:34 PM
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The coote grinder is really catching my eye now....about the same price as the griz, and looks like a much better machine.

I really like the little 2X48 machine... would you guys reccomend that one, or go ahead and think about the 2X72? I plan on flat grinding my blades.

I don't like all this "such and such not included" business. What's this about a pulley not included?
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Old 01-17-2006, 09:35 PM
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The pully that runs the grinder is sold seperatly.so you will need a pully for the grinder,a pully for the motor,and a motor.A friend of mine has a coote,it grinds nice I would recamend 72" with the 8" contact wheel.If you ever decide to hollow grind the 8"works great.


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Old 01-17-2006, 10:53 PM
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At 2x48 you aren't being as efficient with your belts as you are at 2x72... you'll go through them quicker because there is less grit passing along the same circle... supposedly, at 2x72 you get closer to the best point of price vs amount of belt / grit and amount of work getting done. At least according to a Bader salesman I talked to at a show once.


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Old 01-18-2006, 05:38 AM
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Yea, I use a 2 x 48 and my biggest complaint is the speed at which I can wear out a belt. It's not a problem with the good belts but the cheap A/O belts go quick. The flip side is the a cheap 2 x 48 belt only costs about a dollar! The pricey ones, about $3.50.


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Old 01-18-2006, 06:22 PM
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Fellas....I think I'm gonna go with the coote 2X72.

better than the grizzly for about as much money, and wont bust my wallet up like the KMG.

Still not real sure how to come up with/attach the other parts and stuff... Will they send me some info and a parts list or something? That website is not very clear to me.
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Old 01-18-2006, 06:52 PM
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A fine machine. I'm sure you'll love it. I almost went with the Coote when I was wearing your shoes. Alas, I settled on the Multitool. Viva la' differance!


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Josh,

You could call them and ask for a brochure- when I ordered mine they didn't even have a website...

Bolt it down tight... put your motor on a good hinge for weight on the belt... and keep yer fingers outta there.


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When I started out in knife making I bought a Grizzly. I wasn't entirely sure knife making was going to do it for me and I wanted try it cheaper than whole hog with a KMG. I bought the grizzly and used it for a year and made several knives. I still use it on every single knife but as a two wheel buffer now instead of a grinder. Once I was convinced knife making would be something I wanted to stick with and get good at with great tools, I went with a variable speed KMG. Some say this is a waste of money, that I should have just gone to the KMG (I had money, I just didn't have the commitment yet) and I would have saved all that money I spent on the Grizz. But the deal is, I still don't feel I wasted a dime. I have a great buffer (and back up grinder) in the Grizz and I was able to test the waters of knife making on my own terms. I understand the value of great quality vs economy but some times a budget has to be part of the equation.

Every one has different reasons for getting into knife making and every one probably has a different plan to accomplish that. If I had to do it all over, I would 'leg into' knife making the same way. I'm cautious that way.

Andrew used a skeet shooting analogy. I shot trap quite a bit so I'll use that as an analogy. I started with an 870, as a capable shooter. OK scores, I was having fun. League night was more about the beer and socialising than serious shooting. My interest picked up and I started getting more serious and competitive. I stepped up to a Browning over/under Lightening. Better equipment, better scores. When I went nuts for trap shooting and started serious competitive shooting, I picked up a Perazzi MX-7 and shot several 100 straights. Now there are plenty of guys that could shoot 100 straight with an old 870 Remington. I couldn't. I got close with the Browning but I needed the better equipment to move up in competitive shooting just like I need the better equipment in knife making for that extra edge.

There is no reason every knife maker should have a KMG, even the serious ones. They may not need it. They may not want it - yet. I personally believe a KMG is the best grinder out there. Others believe a Bader is, some their Hardcore and some their Coote grinder and they are all right.
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Old 01-19-2006, 01:20 AM
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Thanks so much guys for your responses. I have no idea why I never even considered the Coote grinder. The thing looks like a #### tank. I think I'll get some more info, and place my order.
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Very cool thread. When ever I stick my nose into one of these conversations, it leads me to go off searching. This time I poked around about Kalamzoo. I did not know Kalamazoo offered a 2x72 with or without a motor. I was also surprized to see a square wheel offered. Anyone have a link to a dealer with the prices?
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One of my grinders is an old Engelberg 2x48. Engelberg was bought out by Porter Cable in the 40's. The top wheel was worn so thin it was like paper and I pushed my finger right thru it. I replaced it with a Frink 2" contact wheel. (No chatter when I am doing tight contours.) It looks very similar to the Coote. I imagine it works about the same. It is aww-ite. It is ok. I can grind a knife on it. Can I trust it not to hicup and screw me up and ruin a blade for me? No. I was thinking about tearing it down, shimming it all up tight and adding a third wheel and some slowdown pullies just to for a project to see if I could make it run super true. Its problems may be due to the mileage on it as I think about it, and a new Coote with fresh bearings may run totally different. So what am I trying to say? I don't know. Somebody hit me with one of these.


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Old 01-19-2006, 08:42 AM
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I have a Grizzly and, for me, its the appropriate machine for the money. Reading Tracy's post, I have to agree with him 100%. In fact, I think that's the best description of what level of equipment to buy that I ever seen, and you could apply it to any equipment, not just a grinder.

As for the 72" vs 48" lengths, it's not just the amount of grit that makes the difference. I did some consulting years ago for a company that makes sandpaper. The "killer" for sandpaper is heat. The longer belt allows heat dissipation and keeps the adhesive from breaking down as quickly. The grit is harder than steel, so it's not wearing down; it's being stripped off as the adhesive goes.


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I agree, Tracy gave a great breakdown. I was a little different in that I knew I was hooked by the time I bought the grizzly, just thought it would work well, and I didn't know how much grinding I would end up doing. I was 100% convinced my grizzly was purring like a kitten, thing didn't loose track, etc. Figured I would move to a KMG once I hit the point of being good enough to actually feel good selling knives (up to this point I have done a couple KITH, and given a few to family, but I am still looking for a level from myself before I will sell). Anyway, being convinced the grizzly was running like a dream, I had no reason to upgrade right away. Went to the class, used a KMG and a Wilson, and I had my reason.

If you're not sure this hobby is for you, Tracy has good advice. If you are already addicted, start thinking about good equipment.

Tracy, I would be very happy with a Browning over/under I shoot a winchester 1300 most of the time, and every now and then take my 9410 out to shoot skeet with. But I must say, I do lust after a good over/under (for that matter, I also want a good side by side).

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Old 01-19-2006, 03:27 PM
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As always, Tracy breaks it down to the basics and makes us see the point the way we ought to. If only one machine was worth owning, there would be only one design and one manufacturer. Likewise, those machines would make only one kind of knife and pretty soon, there would be only one knifemaker.

Like Carl, I new very early (3 pages into Boye's book) that I was hooked. However, money being wat it is, and after this ritualistic self-torture that all newbies seem to go threw here on the forums, I went with a quality machine that I could afford.

If the day comes that I want a KMG or a Bader or a Burr King, I'll buy one. And, I won't consider my Multitool to be wasted money. It will still do a fair amount of work in the shaping of handles and hogging. Just go on a tour of some big-name maker's shops and you'll see as many as a half dozen working grinders. So, doing the sep-by-step method has its virtues!


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