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Old 10-04-2006, 11:15 AM
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Sam Brown sheath

Here is my finished sheath:
The owner did not want a belt carry but something to cover the blade. I put antique brown on it but it turns out orangish and did not rub off very well. It was to darken the stamps mostly but it did not do that I will have to work on that aspect of things. Maybe more of it or less? I have not put the any thing else on it so I can still add another coat?
Thanks for all the help. Cheers Ron.
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Old 10-04-2006, 11:35 AM
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I don't use very much dye or antique finishes so you need to wait for Sandy to come in an either correct me or verify my opinion.

If you used ANTIQUE finish, it is a "wipe off" type product and meant only to highligt the carved or stamped area. It will literally wipe off the higher and smoother areas of the piece until it dries. If you don't wipe off the darker excess, then you have a splotchy job, and even if you do, the rate at which the antique is absorbed will still give sort of a splotch effect. This is the"antique" look. The anitques also will partially seal the grain, making it difficult to follow up the darker spirit or oil dye because the sealed grain will not absorb the dye evenly.

A possible, but not guaranteed solution would be to thoroughly clean the entire sheath with deglazer and then try Mike T's method of wetting the entire sheath and then applying spirit or oil dye.

It's almost a toss up as to which is easier....the fix or making a new one. That is the reason I don't use much dye or antique. It's a pain in the *ss, but that is strictly my own personal opinion and not meant to be anti dye advice.

Paul

Edited to add: Sorry if I created a false impression. Mike T has used the wet leather dying method and has posted may times in response to questions about quality dying. To my knowledge he has never taken credit for inventing the process...only using the process. There is relatively little that is "new" in the leather business. We all use already discovered methods of doing things, and heretofore was not necessary to acknowledge credit.


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Old 10-04-2006, 11:49 AM
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YOu should be able to clean the sheath with acetone to remove the antiquing and refinish - either dye it before using the antique finish or use a plain finish, oil finish, Bag Kote, Super Shene, or ?????

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try Mike T's method of wetting the entire sheath and then applying spirit or oil dye.
and not to start a pi$$ing contest, but Mike T, or in fact none of us others that frequent here, did not "invent" that method - it is a method that has been taught by Al Stohlman and others for longer than most of us have even been alive - I am all for giving credit where credit is due, but in this case let's keep the record straight...........


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Old 10-04-2006, 07:07 PM
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and not to start a pi$$ing contest, but Mike T, or in fact none of us others that frequent here, did not "invent" that method - it is a method that has been taught by Al Stohlman and others for longer than most of us have even been alive - I am all for giving credit where credit is due, but in this case let's keep the record straight...........
I don't ever remember saying I "invented" the wet leather method of dyeing leather. In fact I'm sure I never said it. I've trotted the method out many times though, on this and other forums, when people ask how they can rid their dye efforts of the blotchies.

I've been doing sheaths a long time and I use lots of methods that are not, how shall we say, "with the grain" but I don't ever remember saying that I invented anything.

But I doubt I ever got it from Stohlman though as I don't read his stuff and I don't keep a journal of where I read what.

It's a shame that Paul has to carefully watch his Ps & Qs when the writes "try Mike T's method" when I imagine what he really means is "try the method that Mike T. tirelessly posts around here from time to time".


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I don't ever remember saying I "invented" the wet leather method of dyeing leather. In fact I'm sure I never said it.
And I never said you ever did say that - but I will continue to keep the record straight, no matter who it is......for what it's worth I've done the same about things that folks have given me credit for as well and will continue to do so.....


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And I never said you ever did say that - but I will continue to keep the record straight.......and will continue to do so.....
Boy-0-boy we'd better be on our toes around here with our context and syntax. And I thought that this was just a sheath forum.


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Old 10-04-2006, 11:31 PM
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In a (feeble?) attempt to get back on subject, let me make an observation just aside of the finishing question. If you're going to do a refinish/remake effort on this sheath, and if that will include a general wetting process, you might want to form the top of the sheath just a bit to allow the knife to seat fully in the body of the sheath. If you do, it looks to me like you'll also have to re-make the keeper strap (shorten it a bit).
Having said that, I like the work you've done on it ! My preference is usually for simplicity and functionality, and I think you've achieved both

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