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Old 01-06-2008, 09:24 PM
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5160 and ???? damascus???

Earlier this fall I remember an article on a fellow who had some trouble with some damascus seperating using 5160.
Well as luck would have it I wound up with about 4 feet by 2 1/2 inchs by .250 at a heck of a good deal. I tryed a serch and didnt come up with any results of what does work to make a dmascus billet for blades using 5160.
Can it be used for damascus and what steels is it compatable with????????


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Old 01-06-2008, 09:42 PM
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I would recommend just using it for straight steel blades. I'm not saying it cannot be used in damascus, but more often than not it just winds up being a headache. Welding it isn't all that difficult, but because it expands and contracts more than most other steels, welds have a way of cracking as it cools down, and you can run into some real issues during heat treating, especially if the blade is small and thin, or if its a large blade, it tends to make things warp (if used in damascus).


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Old 01-06-2008, 09:52 PM
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Oh darn,I was hoping you would say some inexpensive steel that is easy to find...LOL
Well on with the search to stockpile O1 or 1085. I do some of my buying on ebay. considering my money is in paypall and I dont get out much.


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Admiral takes PayPal. I'd be wary of the steel you get off of Ebay, unless it's a regular steel supplier.
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Aldo Bruno may also tak PayPal now. He has some big 1095 stock and still has some of his smaller real 1084 bars. He is also working on getting another big batch of the 1 1/2 x 1/4 1084 that everyone has been raving about.


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Old 01-09-2008, 11:17 PM
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Ok not trying to beat a dead horse but I was just on ebay and Craig Barr has some billets with 5160,,1018 and 15n20.
I have sent him a measage asking him how he does this and I havent had a reply. I am betting he doesnt want to give out trade secrets perhaps. Does anybody know what his trick may be????


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Old 01-10-2008, 09:16 AM
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I'm not dogging how he makes damascus, but if you look at the steels he's combined..... your not going to achieve a great deal of hardenability with that combination. Between the carbon migration that is likely to occur, and the inclusion of 1018 (depending on the percentages of each steel within the billet) you can overcome the expansion/contraction issues, but you do it at the expense of other factors within the finished blade. Again, I'm not dogging anyone on how they do things, but its not something I would do, and then put my name on.

If your dead set on using that 5160 in damascus, then do it. It took me failing my first MS performance test before I understood why not to use 5160 in damascus....sometimes experience is the best teacher.


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I've had bad luck getting welds to stay with 5160 when welded with 10** series steels, everything seems fine til you quench, then it comes apart. I have, however, gotten good results mixing 5160 with L6. Makes a really tough blade, too.
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Old 01-11-2008, 11:29 PM
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Thankyou for the help. I am still going to give it a try with l6. There sould be enogh contrast to make an interesting billet. I am not going to be trying anything to complicated hearing that it isnt the easyest to work with. It may not happen right away. I knew of some folks using it and wanted to know what can be done. Thanks fellows.


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