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Old 12-21-2010, 11:21 PM
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Where to Source 'REAL" 1080/1084

Greetings,
I have been researching sourcing 1080/1084 this last couple days. First of all I tried most Canadain retailers with no luck. A major USA knife steel suppliers did reply with some discount pricing, posting Carbon content of .73 and Manganese of .66.

I then called a major steel mill in Canada and I spoke in depth with the Manager of Sales in Canada (with the little steel knowledge I have, I tried my best not to indicate this is unfimilure territory for me). He told me that they have not made either 1080 or 1084 since June 2000, and that the formula is too 'rich' for thier operation today. He indicated a lot of the steel they use today is from recycled.

Then I started researching Mills which produce or produced 1080 and 1084 in the USA. I then discovered that the only mill I found went bankrupt in 2002.

OK...Now I am confused. If 1080 and/or 1084 supply is drying up, and there is no major source. Where are some people, whom are advertising it, getting it from? Or is that the secret!

Happy Holidays everyone.....Thanks for reading.

Dennis
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Old 12-22-2010, 01:49 AM
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Hey Dennis,

Others who actually know may add some real insight, but I believe Aldo at njsteelbaron.com has been the primary source of 1084 for a while. Seems like he's also had other batches of rare for today forging steels made up and he seems to hit the specs very nicely.

If I were looking for stuff in that ballpark, I couldn't think of a better person to check with than Kelly Cupples. Either way, it may be something to plan ahead to catch someone heading north, or drag Jim down south for a supply run.

Good luck with it, Craig

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Old 12-22-2010, 08:15 AM
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For the "real" stuff, Aldo is going to be about your only option. More and more folks are realizing what I did about 5 years ago....."good" knife steel, at least the carbon variety, is getting more and more difficult to come by. There was a time when we could trust the steels we want/need to be exactly what they are advertised to be....but now a days it's a carp shoot.

As knifemakers we are such a small percentage of steel consumers, that the steel companies could care less about our wants/needs. It's all about producing the steel as cheaply as they can, and selling it for as much as they can.....and in the process those of us who depend on quality and consistency are left out in the cold. That stuff that Admiral sells is a prime example (1075/1080).... The only reason they would label it such is that the standards/tolerances on it are very low. I've used it, and very often you have to adjust your heat treat every time you get a new batch, simply because of the differences in element content from batch to batch.
Whatever you decide to get, my recommendation is to purchase as much of it as you can afford at one time. That's the only hope of having consistent long term results.....and it won't go bad on the shelf!


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