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Here's another funny truth,... looking back,... in order to find my own way, my own path in bladesmithing, I had to learn to "un-learn" much of what I was taught in school.
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Sort of like trying to figure out which "truths of bladesmithing" to believe when reading some of the forums on the net. Advice from a respected maker is "supposed" to be accurate. In the end, our journey through life in quest of knowledge is a never ending trip. Some of us will never reach the end and some of us will be one the journey longer due to the mis information. That is some of what we unlearn, or discard. I always figured that if I knew about a mistake, that would help me on the way to making one less. In a few societies, that is why the elders had a lot of respect. They were supposed to be smarter but not necessarily so. A few may have been stuck in the middle of the jouryey.
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#183
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I think we are all conditioned to be too "goal" oriented.
I think a wise philosophy is,... not to do it for the rewards, but for the pure enjoyment of the process. You can't go wrong that way, and if you can do it and stay true to yourself,... the rewards will come automatically. Trust me on this... It's a life long journey of self discovery... ... never ending, never complete... Maybe that should be the "real goal". Last edited by Tai Google; 01-09-2008 at 12:18 PM. |
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Peace Brothers!
I was in the ABS in 2001 and then dropped out for some of the same reasons expressed here. I was under the impression that they were a bunch of rednecks protecting thier way of knifemaking and being territorial but I dont see it that way anymore. I wear my heart on my sleeve all too often and it gets me into big trouble on the forums but recently I had a bunch of the ABS veteran makers come to my aid in a dispute over patents. That made me rethink the organization and I now feel that its not about the organization, its about the people in it. As artisans we are a free thinking independent bunch of folks so its only natural for us to butt heads. Its also natural for us to bond together to give us power in unity but its always been a struggle through out history to hold such independence together. On one hand we want to unite the clans but on the other we want freedom more than anything. Catch 22. Today I want to be a part of something. Tomorrow I might tell them to take a flying leap. Oh well. whatever. Life is friggin weird. i was a junkman selling you cars washing your windows and shining your stars thinking your mind was my own in a dream what would you wonder and how would it seem living in castles a bit at a time the king started laughing and talking in rhyme __________________ The Neo-Tribal Ghost Dancer Tribe |
#185
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Hey! Howdy Tim. Thanks for the insight.
Good to see you back at the "Outpost" bro. |
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Thanks for inviting me back Brother. You look good with a beard.
I use to play in a metalsmith band but we broke up we were young and we were wild it ate us up now im not saying who was right or wrong Id like to see those guys again and give it a shot maybe now we can show the world what weve got but id just like to play for the fun we had Buffalo Springfield Again! __________________ The Neo-Tribal Ghost Dancer Tribe Last edited by TimLively; 01-20-2008 at 05:16 PM. |
#187
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LOL
The beard's not real, but thanks! ... keep the poetry coming bro. |
#188
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I can't tell you guys how happy it makes me to see two old friends shake hands. I admire the work that you each produce and feel that I have learned from both of you and appreciate your continued teaching. Only good can come from the rejoining of the clans.
Who knows, one day there might even be something like a 'Lively Wild Rose' collaboration. Just ramblin'. Carey __________________ Everything you do says something about who and what you are so ALWAYS sign your work with excellence. You are cordially invited to check out my web site: Handmade Knives by Carey Quinn |
#189
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Tai, my friend, using MM after your name can't hurt you! I use it as my maker's mark on my leather work and it hasn't hurt me!!! Sandy
__________________ Martin (Sandy) Morrissey Master Leather Craftsman 1105 Stephens Road Blairsville, GA 30512 706-379-1621 |
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#191
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Art is the only form of anarchy that works. As soon as an organization tells artisans how to make their art it becomes less than art. My feelings about any organizations seem to change from day to day. I see the benefits but also the failings and both are legitimate.
I guess the only reason I rejoined the ABS is to be a part of something. The comradery of artisans. I dont even like mirror or hand rubbed finishes on knives. To me it seems unpractical and gimmicky. Thats what I would have to make to get my Journeyman stamp though. I detest damascus for the same reasons. To me its just commercial hipe and doesnt produce a better blade. But thats what I will have to make to get my Mastersmith stamp with the ABS. So I dont know if I will even make it to Journeyman status. Im probably not what they want as a member and my reasons for becoming a member are pretty flimsy. I really believe most smiths join the ABS to be recognized. A way to seperate themselves from the faces in the crowd. I also think they feel it will bring them a bigger price tag on their work and they are probably right. Peer pressure and snobbery still rules the day in this world and most collectors need to be told what art is and dont have the ability to see what it takes for an artisan to be original. Did you know that Van Gogh sold only one of his paintings during his lifetime? Collectors dont buy art until the critics (or organizations) tell them its art. That makes it a difficult call for most makers. Do I stand as an individual and make less money or play the game and be recognized? Last edited by TimLively; 06-02-2008 at 11:26 AM. |
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__________________ The Neo-Tribal Ghost Dancer Tribe Last edited by TimLively; 06-02-2008 at 11:48 AM. |
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I'm not so sure about the snobbery. A beautiful looking knife can be made from A36. The ABS as a Guild can at least tell the buyer "if you buy a Journeyman's or Master's knife we can tell you that he, or she, passed these tests, and met certain guidlines". I've been an Apprentice for about five years now, and really don't know if I'll ever test for the Journeyman stamp, it's not that important, but I do like the ABS. I think they are still the premier bladesmithing organization. Nobody else works harder at promoting the forged blade through classes, hammer-ins, and youth groups. Bob |
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#195
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... Just as well...
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