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Old 08-24-2017, 04:53 PM
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The two photos with teeth are the same knife.

I liken this14 grind to a model 1 with teeth. I believe that the spearpoint grind of the 18 was used on the 14 for continuity more than any other reason. The 18 and 14 with teeth have the same blade forging, so it would make sense.

I think the 14's that maintain that 14 grind but with teeth are/were just a thing someone did in the shop maybe just to see how it would work. I dunno.

I have a picture, actually two of another I will post. Perhaps you can put them together jack into one photo.

I have no doubt the brown micarta 15 had the teeth added after the knife left the shop. No way it would have got out like that. Same guy did the teeth for 40+ years IIRC. You can still see the original grind as not been changed.
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Old 08-24-2017, 07:32 PM
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This is best I can do putting the two pictures together. I see what you mean about the attempt to keep some continuity with the conventional m14 shape...even though this knife does have that "swoop."

Thinking about it... the first ST knives were made from Solingen 14s... and I think the spear point is a more or less natural outcome of modifying the top line of those blades. I posted an overlay picture of Solingen ST over Solingen conventional grind earlier in this line that shows what is removed. I think it might be hard to alter the top line of a Solingen, removing the hump, so that an even bevel was created without ending up with a type of spear point.

But that wasn't true of the Orlando blades.. again an overlay is in this line earlier. So I think you are right... the shop just continued the spear point to be consistent and probably for ease of routine. I kinda like the spear point... it is a nice look. Thanks for posting this knife. This is probably an early toothy, interesting to see the teeth structure.
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Old 08-24-2017, 07:45 PM
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Perhaps you can put them together jack into one photo.
(I joined the two and tried to clean up the result in Photoshop.) Will this be helpful?

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-Steve
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Old 08-24-2017, 08:15 PM
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I think I have a couple of photos of later Solingen blades that were ground to look like a later Orlando blade. The very early Orlando blades looked like Solingens or vice versa I should say.

I personally like the 14 grind with teeth.

Here is a couple of photos of the one that started it all, the Ingraham 18:
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Old 08-24-2017, 08:19 PM
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Here is a 14 "tenite" Orlando blade with a factory installed Walnut handle. Only one I have ever seen. Note hump in blade.
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Old 08-24-2017, 08:33 PM
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Great job Steve... much better than my power point effort... dang it looks real...

The pictures of the very early m18s made from Solingen humpers are pretty instructive. Even if you keep a modified hump, when you remove material from the top line, you sorta end up with a spear pointy thingy. I notice that the "swoop" of the top line mod starts almost at the ricasso... I think this is because these were the first-order Solingens stamped on the ricasso.. thus there was no blade stamp to try to protect.

It seems some of the later Solingens had the logo in place before the alteration. However, some Solingen ST seemed to have the Solingen stamp etched on after the modification. This could be a time marker of sorts... worth exploring later.



Joe, I saw pictures of that wooden handle knife some time ago and really like it. It spawned the wishful ivory handled Solingen fantasy.






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Old 08-24-2017, 10:32 PM
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It has been a long time since I have seen the wood handled 14, but looking at the photos I am thinking it could have been ebony. Pretty dark.

Note that the 18 you blew up is the first one, Ingraham's knife. I wasn't sure if everyone realized that. One of the most significant RMK's in my opinion.

Note that you mistakenly identified the maker of the 18 as Gary Clinton in a previous post.
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