samurai....thank you for all the info. And yes I have a 30 liter liquid nitrogen container right next to me I cryo all my stainless.
Ray and Jim....I totally get its a starting point. Just like a spec sheet. I just couldn't fid a actuall spec sheet for this steel that is why I asked. And yeh I get you gota work it from there. and yeh a good part of the reason my s35vn was so good jim was cause ray gave me a starting point way above and beyond a spec sheet but even then I played with it....the 440c started at a spec sheet and yeh I have gotten to a point where I think its as good as its going to get. So I have read people saying this nitro v stuff is pretty good and its cheaper so I figured it might be worth a shot to play with
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