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Bruce D Bump
09-26-2009, 11:06 AM
Hello Steve,
My son Mike and I are waiting for the Sub Hilt DVD and plan to make one together. The sale will help fund playground equipment at an Orphange in Jamaica for Christmas.

We are excited about this project and am greatly looking forward to working together on it. While we wait for the video I should be ordering the blade steel and guard material. Would you let me know what to order here? What stainless steel and thickness/width is best for the finish the would-be buyer is looking for. I would really like to do this right. I know its not S-30V like my chute knife, Whew!

09-26-2009, 10:24 PM
At this point in time, I am really liking CPM 154-CM, But 154-CM or ATS-34 would do, as would BG-42. CPM has such a beautiful polish that that alone would make me choose it, not to mention that is is about twice as strong as 154-CM! It's just great to work with and is truly beautiful. T-416 SS for fittings, of, as you probably know, the engravers really like it, should anyone ever want to engrave it. If you plan to use them, I got some 416 SS bolts from Knife found here: Hopefully the holes in the female half of the bolts are not too deep anymore. Or I can send you a couple of sets.

That is truly a great project!

cliff fendley
09-27-2009, 04:19 PM
Bruce, If your going for the CPM you might want to grab some right away while there is some still floating around. Don't know for sure when they will do another melt with the Crucible deal going on.

Bruce D Bump
09-27-2009, 05:54 PM
Thanks Steve and Cliff too. I need to get on the stick. The DVD is here already and no materials yet. After we get the started it will move right along as we only have 6 weeks to make the deadline for the fund raiser.

Again Thanks Steve. Would you like to see progress here?

09-28-2009, 10:52 AM
That would be great if we could see it as it progresses.
I see that CPM 154-CM is available from Admiral. Anyone have any experience with this?
That's all I need, as shortage of my favorite steel!

cliff fendley
09-29-2009, 06:50 AM
Yeh, CPM 154 is probably my favorite now and Crucible goes bankrupt. Last time I talked to them they were optimistic about the buy out though.

Bruce, Hawkins also had some CPM 154 at the Guild show.

Bruce D Bump
09-29-2009, 09:46 AM
How long and thick is this knife? Mike saw the video and said it is 3/16" but cant find what length it is.
Yes I will need the right bolts for sure. Can you sell me some of yours, that way I know they dont have the hole drilled too deep.
I didnt think you would care if I showed some pictures since it was you that made the DVD for us to make one too.
I like this place. Thanks Cliff ad Steve.

09-29-2009, 10:08 AM
The one in the DVD is 3/16" and the blade is either 5 1/2" or 6" long. I'll check with the owner. Bolts will be on the way today, you'll have them by Fri. or Sat.

09-29-2009, 02:37 PM
I checked and the blade is 6" in length.

Bruce D Bump
09-29-2009, 02:57 PM
Thanks much for checking with your collector. We have the ball rolling now. Cant wait.

10-01-2009, 03:42 PM
Hey Bruce keep us posted on the build I would love to see some pictures. I ordered from Pops last week and he only had a couple of bars of CPM154 in 3 16 left. Called Crucible and they only had .250. Good Luck

Bruce D Bump
10-01-2009, 04:25 PM
Hey Bruce keep us posted on the build I would love to see some pictures. I ordered from Pops last week and he only had a couple of bars of CPM154 in 3 16 left. Called Crucible and they only had .250. Good Luck
Hi Mike, I called Pops and bought one of the last sticks of the CPM 154 he had. He said he needs to take it off his web page as its almost gone.

I'm happy to post some pics here. I cant believe how helpful Steve is. He gave me the bolts and sent a tracing of the subhilt. What a guy!

Bruce D Bump
10-11-2009, 09:41 PM
We are rolling on this one now. I used a combination of Bobs and Steves patterns to come up with a very close sub hilt. I like the 8 1/2" blade on the Loveless too. The DVD is so helpful for every thing on this build.

Here is the pattern after about $3 of copying patterns and blades and reducing/enlarging to get just the right dimentions.

I found a big stag roll nice enough and sliced it down the middle. They will be a good match colorwise because they came from the same roll.

Thats me cutting out the shape on my bandsaw and drilling the handle holes

Here is son Michael.

This little 6" disc works its heart out. For $99 its the handiest tool I have

Bruce D Bump
10-11-2009, 09:46 PM
The CPM 154 needed some real surfacing and we arrived at .210" thick. I like that thickness.

More to come. The guard material arrives in a couple days
Thanks for looking

10-14-2009, 04:45 AM
Interesting the sequence of pictures, thank you for showing.

Bruce D Bump
10-18-2009, 01:40 PM
Mike and I made enough progress to send it out for heat treating. We cut the guards from a big piece of 416 and trued them up on the mill and finally the surface grinder. I milled the slots in both and fit them on the blank as tight as I could. Its a nice fit and I plan to solder them as well. I havent made up my mind as to have 2 bolts or 3. I see some dont have 3 bolts. Are the front scales held on with epoxy bolts Steve? Anybody have comment on that?

10-19-2009, 12:40 PM
Great pictorial, Bruce. Looks like everything is coming along just fine.
I always use two bolts in the rear section and one in the front insert.
It's certainly open to whatever you like, though.
Thanks for these photos and this post, overall.
P.S. I like your Band Aid. I personally prefer the "Spiderman-type," but that's just my preference, or.......... what happens to be in the drawer!

Bruce D Bump
10-20-2009, 02:12 AM
I ran out of Sponge Bob bandaids :)
I finally did drill the hole for a third bolt. Still cant make up my mind though. Maybe by the time it gets back from Paul Bos I will know what to do. Its seems like overkill to put a bolt there but without one it looks like the small scale could just fall out.
Thanks Steve for the help and being so open as to allow me to post it here.

10-20-2009, 02:43 AM
You can always just drill part way through the handles pieces, from the inside surface of the handle and then hollow out the bottom of the hole with a round burr, not penetrating the outside. You then epoxy a threaded rod, or part of a bolt into the holes and through the tang as you assemble and clamp down the handle in place until the epoxy sets up. Be sure all the parts are in position. That puts a bolts in the usual spots, but they are hidden inside the handle material, with a "head" of epoxy at each end of each bolt, as it holds fast to the threads and fills up the hollowed-out end of the hole. Make any sense?
We're soooo very glad you're posting here and love the pictured progress of the sub-hilt. THANK YOU!

Bruce D Bump
10-28-2009, 09:36 AM
Back from heat treating and made some real progress on her. Mike is shown doing some dremel work on the guards and I have the tang tapered and the blade grinding done. Now if the UPS truck would drive up with the amber dyed stag we can put some color to this one.
Steve I think because this knife will get some engraving, I will go with all three handle bolts. It will give just another place to engrave.

10-28-2009, 10:53 AM
Lookin' good. I think you're right about that third bolt. It will help the flow, IMO. That will be an amazing knife!

10-28-2009, 06:16 PM
Good looking pictures.

Bruce D Bump
11-01-2009, 09:00 PM
Mike and I made some progress and now have the scales glued on one side.

11-02-2009, 04:19 PM
Congratulatios, good pictures. :eek:

Bruce D Bump
11-05-2009, 12:50 AM
We are nearing the end of this bad boy. Its been fun, real fun. Whew I'm glad its almost over.

Bruce D Bump
11-05-2009, 10:20 PM
I finished it tonight except for sharpening the blade. The pictures cant do her justice but they are the best I can muster.

Thanks for following this thread and special Thanks to Steve for allowing me to post them here on his turf.

11-05-2009, 11:31 PM
That is one beautiful knife. What a great project! Thanks for letting us be involved. I have a Big Bear here that I need to get finished soon. Mind if I just send it to you, you obviously have the knack!

11-06-2009, 07:25 AM
Congratulatios, Bruce! Very beaultiful knife.
Thank you Steve for allowing to show those pictures.

Bruce D Bump
11-06-2009, 09:25 AM
Thanks guys!
Steve, yes send it here I'd be happy to finish it. I learned it all from you anyway.

11-13-2009, 07:17 AM
Perfect!!!....just perfect!!!

DiamondG Knives
11-13-2009, 10:23 AM
Wonderful Tutorial! Thank you for posting these photos. You made a beautiful knife!!!

Any way we here on K Net could buy tickets for this raffle?

God Bless

Bruce D Bump
11-13-2009, 06:13 PM
Wonderful Tutorial! Thank you for posting these photos. You made a beautiful knife!!!

Any way we here on K Net could buy tickets for this raffle?

God Bless

Hi Mike,
I'm sorry the raffle is over. We drew the winner on November 7th. Congrats to Jerry Graham. I should have posted the date here. Thanks for the compliments. Its been a fun project and we had a successful fund raiser almost $3000. thanks to fine people that bought tickets and allowed links on their forum like this one. Thanks Steve Johnson!

11-13-2009, 08:25 PM
Thanks for schooling us in the fine art of sub-hilts. I really enjoyed your presentation.

Robert Washburn
11-19-2009, 03:08 PM
Very ,very nice Bruce and Mike. Robert