Glad I live in the land of freedom of speech.......

Don't hold back.

How long did you give them to call you back before posting this message?

I know that Darrel and Alex are both involved in KnifeKits so I would be very surprised if there was a deliberate attempt to rip off anyone.

Are they selling offshore sub-quality parts? I am not a customer but would bet that if they were selling "made in China stuff, everyone would know about it.

You have only 28 posts, not enough to let people know who you are or what you have to offer to this community. I would suggest you get yourself well established here before you start a anything sucks thread. You don't have much credibility yet so taking on the owner of the forum and his partner is kinda ill advised.

There are a LOT of satisfied customers of Knifekits so you may be a minority in your complaint.

I wish you had just posted a question on how to overcome the issue of a hole not being there instead of trying to slam them.

The suck up to Darrel at the end is poor to say the least. You can't slam someone then kiss their butt, makes you look mentally challenged.

Calm down. Jeez.

The reasons for the holes being eliminated was outlined in a previous thread, in which you were also ranting. Now you're dredging it up again, after the process was explained fully.

Litigation, cost.... whatever. The conversion is just that: A CONVERSION of a legal knife. Now it will take some more work. There is NO mention on the Knife Kits site of this being sold as an automatic. It's not designed as such, and those who choose to make this conversion will now have to purchase the tools and parts to do so.

If you don't have the skills or the equipment to drill the hole, then move along. No one is 'ripping you off' by offering the parts to do it. We were fortunate that early kits were pre drilled. The springs for sale do not state they will 'drop in' to the DDR3-BL. No one is being misled.

Do I understand your frustration? Sure. Does a newly-arrived inconvenience discredit an entire company? The thousands who have enjoyed the KKits products would say NO.

Say what? The products are made overseas? Say it ain't so! How in the world do you think they could offer these so competitively priced and so well made for the money. That's never been a deterrent in my eyes.

Coop

Darrell and Alex are two of the classiest guys you'll ever meet. Like every business, they have their limitations - and sometimes legal limitations are imposed despite the very best of intentions. They have to be able to offer a product that will compete in the marketplace. If they doubled the price in order to make parts locally, you'd be complaining about that. The blades for that model have always been manufactured overseas.

Drilling a hole is not exactly an overwhelming burden. Stop and think about it and try to see it in perspective.

Two of the other classiest guys you'll ever meet, Bob Warner and Jim Cooper, have already pointed this out. The main reason I'm writing is to both agree with them and to point out to you that we're not flaming you. We all get frustrated when suppliers goods are not quite what we expect. But don't write off a very classy and quality group of people without considering the whole situation.

Deleted!




I won't plague your "Open" forum again!

I can't, for the life of me, understand why this issue was dredged up again.

I realize that it may be an inconvenience to find that a hole that was there no longer is, but drilling the hole really shouldn't be a big problem. Yeah, you need a carbide bit. Big deal. Truth be told, the drill bit isn't that expensive for what it is - and if you don't like CKK's price, you can always find another supplier for it.

If you'd like to know how best to drill the hole, feel free to ask. I'm sure that everyone here would be happy to offer suggestions. For my part, I suggest that you invest in some good cutting fluid, and set your spindle speed correctly. Don't attempt to drill with a carbide bit using a hand drill. You could also use a cobalt drill bit, but you might only get a couple holes out of it - just be sure to use cutting/cooling fluid.

Other than that, your knife, if assembled as it arrived (with the addition of handle scales), is STILL a wonderful and eminently usable knife - one that most people would be proud to use.

Chill out!

Why do you have such an aggressive attitude?

OK, so something did not turn out as you planned, get over it. Everyone has to deal with this at one time or another. Part of life. Trust me, I have had my share of unexpected challenges as have other here.

Your sarcastic hero comment means nothing here. Posts don't make you anything but known by the others here. We have no Heroes, just a lot of good friends. I said that nobody knows you yet, you have not been around enough for people to have a sense of who you are but now you have made them and me wonder if you are just a guy trying to stir the pot. We have had many people like that and frankly it is not enjoyable to interact with them. After a while people stop replying to their posts, then they start bitching that nobody is answering their questions. Over time, they just go away because they are ignored.

If you want to be part of this community, act like you are part of the community and not a controversy generator.

Now, there is NO RULE that says you cannot attempt to contact Knifekits again. I have not been called back by companies before so I called them again and again. You can even give them a bit of crap for not calling you back but don't trash them in a public place unless they really deserve it. A simple change in design of one of THEIR products does not justify the rant.

I have never been called arrogant and pompous. Both are new descriptions of me. If you feel I am both, you should be happy that you had the freedom here to say so and nobody deleted it.

Make the kit you got and fix it if it is not to your liking or send it back. It is not that difficult to drill a hole. If that is to great of a challenge, maybe another hobby would be a better match for you than assembling knife kits.

...... maybe another hobby would be a better match for you than assembling knife kits.

Might I suggest quilting or possibly knitting sweaters for cats....:D Just kidding!

I understand the frustration in getting something that does not live up to your expectations. Most of us who have employees (or wives for that matter) deal with that on a daily bases. The measure of a person is how you deal with those disappointments. Bashing on a public forum generally doesn't help the cause. Calm, factual communication does. I would suggest you call or e-mail them again - I'm sure they would be more than happy to refund your purchase.

-Dave

quote(I'm not some rich knifemaker with an unlimited amount of cash. ) unquote. I didn't know the words rich and knifemaker ever went together in the same sentence.

cdknives,

I've explained to you once already that the hole in the blade was a manufacturing mistake, initially. We never wanted a fixed pre-drilled hole! Go read my reply to your first angry statements from the last time you came around with this issue, sir, and you'll see that it's not us (dimples cost money too!). But the design of the mechanism is better when you allow the maker to define the torsion point and when you don't screw up the friction surface with a hole that works as an abrasive! Use your head!

I'm not angry with you, sir! But your statements are requiring me to say what most knife making hobbyists want us to leave unspoken. And... you don't even use your real name to come out and say it. Then add stuff like, "KnifeKits.com Sucks"?

I believe in education. One should think before they talk!

Making automatic knives is not fair or equal across the country we live in, state-to-state and/or around the world! We're not sure what the laws are in each state or other country. That is up to the maker or buyer to understand. We want knives that everyone can own. You discount the fact that the BL is a great manual knife also! Does a hole in the friction point of the blade aid the action? Use your head! The hole is only necessary on the auto. It diminishes the performance on the manual. Why have it? The dimple was hard enough to swallow.

We want all of our products to be available in all places, as much as possible. Any business does!

If the law in your location allows you to own an automatic, and you want to make one... I suggest that you do this:

1) Go study how coil fired autos are made!
2) Come back and tell me "thank you" for not putting that hole there, where you can't nudge it north or south.

The blade only needs one hole! Make it count!

I'll leave this thread up until Monday at 5PM. But, unless you can substantiate how "KnifeKits.com Sucks", and you make sure it includes "I spoke to Alex, and I'm still...", then this post is coming down fast!

Further... let's keep these posts civil here. Do not slang or slander anyone at KnifeNetwork! You are among gentlemen here! Act like one, or leave!

Alex Whetsell

BTW-
No one in the knife industry is rich, as far as I know! We all work in it because we like it and want to hang around people we like! This is a mission of mercy for many of us! We're here to save the world! :)

I'm about value! Living amongst craftsmen is value for me!

Alex

Jeez, what a tool. I have problems too but when you blast a forum with rants and raves after experiencing 1 problem with 1 product and didn't get a response for 1 week is lame.
If I remember the catalog it states that the skill level is III.

DDR3-BL
Skill Level III
http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/images/ddr3bl_3d_brnlin_3_600.jpg
Cool Level 20!
:bow

Brought to you by KnifeKits.com!
DDR3-BL KITS HERE (http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/index.php?cPath=1_13)

I always thought the words "artisan" or "craftsman" were an oxymoron when paired with the word "rich" - no matter what the profession. We're all in this because we have a passion for what we do, not because it makes us rich. Well, in terms of money, anyway.

And now, here's my first DDR3-BL, made almost 4 years ago.
http://www.pipecrafter.com/images/knives/ddr3a/ddr3-1.jpg
http://www.pipecrafter.com/images/knives/ddr3a/ddr3-4.jpg

I think Alex said it was the first real tactical treatment they'd seen of the kit, with bead blasting and a matte finish. And I added copper spacers just because I could. Man what a nice knife. I still use it almost daily.

If you dont want to put effort into making a knife then just buy a completed one:doubleenf :doubleenf

Got this jem this evening.



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Your post more than anything else made me realize I don't want to be a part of KN! Alex mentions slander but you are the king! I really liked the part about "I'm not a customer". Then keep your condescending comments to yourself. Moderator? does that mean slam anyone that doesn't see eye to eye with you? your "suck up" comment was real nice. I didn't (until Today) check the corporation status of CKK. Again, I guess you should research every company to the N'th degree before you post? God forbid I compliment a knifemaker on a knifemakers forum? However crude, you are a real #######!
Stay in the land of "Steers 'n Queers"! Good ridance to you and the those with your "aggressive attitude"! Oh! and by the way I can drill a .9MM hole in about 1/100th of a second!

I don't think he likes you, Bob! :flame:

1/100ths of a second? I don't think a laser will do that.

I got an email as well. Not all like Bob's, but same general complaints.

Here's the thing: I've known Bob for awhile and I know he's a good fella. I'm more than happy to step up and defend him on that point. If the battle gets protracted, well, I might just sit back and let Bob take care of himself. But when the battle turns to being ugly about Texas, that's tantamount to tap dancing in a mine field. I'm not particularly happy about the way those Yankees are running things in Washington these days anyhow. Now this?

I suggest that Alex use his magic powers to make this thread - and it's author - go away. :doubleenf

I suggest that Alex use his magic powers to make this thread - and it's author - go away. :doubleenf

Agreed. I don't think this post is beneficial to anyone involved or innocent bystanders for that matter. It's not a good representation of the forum.
-Dave

Agreed. I don't think this post is beneficial to anyone involved or innocent bystanders for that matter. It's not a good representation of the forum.
-Dave
I agree. One sore-tailed cat in a room full of rockers doesn't add much.

Robert

Bob, don't be like they say you are!
LOL
That guy is a tool isn't he?

Guys,

I'm sorry that you had to get involved with this on my account. These forums are supposed to be a fun place to hang around, not like this.

Please be aware that I fully understand our position in these kinds of matters. Anyone can have a real, true issue on an order, or are dissatisfied with a product or service that we represent. It's always my job to try to work through the frustration, to then try to help with finding a direct solution for the "problem" being experienced. Sometimes it means allowing the customer to express it with anger!!!

I don't take any of this personally! The original poster removed their primary complaint by removing the offending post. Since I was never addressed personally, or even contacted in all of this, I'll consider the case closed.

I think this thread needs to be removed. I'm sure cpknives didn't threaten to shoot Bob, or wasn't calling Texas any bad names. Bob don't deserve it, and anybody with any sense at all knows a war will go with whatever side that Texas joins. Cpknives knows that too!

Close it, or lock it?

Alex

... and anybody with any sense at all knows a war will go with whatever side that Texas joins.

I agree Texas is great.... until you have to drive through it....

Close it, or lock it?

It's up to you. I woudn't mind it going away. Unless of course I lose the credit for my posts and somehow drop from the Sharpie status...:D

I say trash it. No point in having it set here with replies only. Looks like we are arguing with ourselves.

I just get a wee bit twisted when people go so far overboard on something simple. So being the ******* that I am, I had to say something about it.

I haven't done that to many times on here but when I do I hang on to my position. Never ran from a fight, in person or on the web and don't plan to start now.

I agree Texas is great.... until you have to drive through it....

That's actually pretty funny, Dave! It ain't much of a shortcut!!

You know my opinion, Alex.

Dump it and me. Regards to Texas, Well 99.9% of it anyway. I've got family there. It was a remark to Bob in a private email (well supposedly private)?
Take care,
Tony

I sent this note in private, but the email rejected me:

Tony,

Sorry this all went sour. Everyone deserves better. Everyone.

Good luck in your works. Sometimes it's best to drop it.

Coop


That said, I am moving this to the Trade Report forum. I think the members have spent time responding to a case, the OP makes his statement, and the viewer will be able to decide for himself. I don't see it being applicable in the Knife Kits forum, though.

Thanks to all for the input.

Coop