View Full Version : How about some of the knives that started this?!?

06-24-2004, 05:21 PM
I'll go of MY favs! ;)

Here's a couple others to get things rollin'..........

Let me know if y'all want to see anymore.........wouldn't want to wear ya out right off the bat! ;)

EDITED TO ADD: The previous "How about some knives of the that started this?" is only my opinion since the first one I ever bought was a BS custom that I still have. #### you Les for 'making me' spend my money on these things....... :lol :cool:

06-24-2004, 07:21 PM
Holy #### Dudley!! Always impressed to see you roll out the big guns!!

I'll just be staying out of this thread now...

Psst...HEY Pete...

06-24-2004, 07:37 PM
Psst...HEY Pete...

Now I'm in deep kimshee...... :eek:

I'll save a few for later..........;)

06-25-2004, 12:03 AM
Now and Zen??

06-25-2004, 08:32 AM
man i cry every time i see Dudley's pics especially that first one .

Samson 1 (

Samson 2 (

Samson 3 (

that's all folks...

06-25-2004, 11:10 AM
Ok.., looks like I'm gonna have to get out the "Samson-Cam" this I have only photographed a few of my Balisongs Jody profiled.., but I do have a couple laying around here... :)

This is a good one to start out with. As far as Jody knows.., it's the first Balisong ever made with Ti-Handles, but was not a Bali-Song USA, or PCC produced product, and sold directly from "Samson Custom Knives" to a guy named Nolan Fukawa, who was an FFL dealer at all the Great Western Shows many years back.

Jody actually profiled the blade at the end of 1982 (Steve Schwartzer Damascus).., but a man named Gene Ostrand who was a machinist at the Hughes Aircraft plant in the South Bay area milled the handles. The knife was completed and purchased in early 1983 by Mr. Fukawa, and he wanted a profile more like the original "Samson Custom Knives" Wee Hawk (which is a fixed blade boot knife), and not the one later remade by Les at Pacific Cuterly Corporation ~~> like the ones you see on eBay with a bolster.

It's latchless, and obviously a nice chunk of American Balisong history like that beauty of Dudley's above. By the way.., Jody considers that 4" Wee Hawk of Dudley's one of the best (5) of that length he ever profiled. I believe it was 1991??? Correct me if I'm wrong Dudely.

06-25-2004, 11:15 AM
Here's a couple of shots of this knife with Jody's (1) and only catalog he had printed in 1977, for the business year of 1978.

Icon of Sin
06-25-2004, 11:18 AM
Wow, you guys amaze me with your samsons, I dont have one Samson yet....

Icon of Sin
06-25-2004, 11:22 AM

Icon of Sin
06-25-2004, 11:24 AM
2 of my fav pics, and knives...

06-25-2004, 11:24 AM
Sure would have been fun to watch Mr. Ostrand take a crack at milling these handles way back then. My guess would be that a significant pile of cutters bit the dust, and the original owner said it took him three tries to get a set that worked. Jody can't verify that story, because he didn't even know Mr. Ostrand. Dan Fitzgerald, who was the photographer for PCC for a number of years, found Mr. Ostrand, and was the intermediary on the project.

Icon of Sin
06-25-2004, 11:26 AM
Korth and Mer

Icon of Sin
06-25-2004, 11:29 AM
Here is a shot of a 31s that I heat ano-ed and did a kind of crappy job, but I guess it was a decent first attempt. Just pretty sick from breathing in the fumes when doing it too, :p

I might polish it off and try again...

06-25-2004, 11:39 AM
Here's one from the VERY beginning of Bali-Song, USA. It was one of a very few Prototypes done by Victor Anselmo in the later months of 1978 before Bali-Song, USA actually opened.

There is only (1) official Prototype (also done by Vic), and it was a 4" Utility type profile with square brass stock handles and the old rag micarta cream colored inserts. I actually held that knife a long time ago.., but bought this one from Vic because I had never owned a knife with Elephant Ivory inserts. This is a 3" Tanto.., flat ground.., and the profile SUCKS (in my opinion) Nice piece of history though. :)

I'll try to get better pictures of this at some point. Les and Roberta want some good ones, so I may not be the right guy behind the The "Prop" is an 01 Tool Steel Dagger made in the "Cooper Method" (by Jody).., in 1972.

06-25-2004, 11:55 AM
Here's one you won't see on eBay much... :)

This was a special order.., by <ME> :).., a loooooong time ago... :( The blade is D2.

06-25-2004, 11:59 AM
I'll see what I can do with the camera this weekend to slap some other examples on here without taking up the whole thread....

06-25-2004, 12:22 PM
that has to be my favorite Pete , i have never seen that one before . man that is special.. very nice indeed.

06-25-2004, 12:35 PM
Man, you guys just come out swinging right off the bat, eh? Makes us newbie collectors curl up into a fetal position :D

06-25-2004, 12:56 PM
Man, you guys just come out swinging right off the bat, eh? Makes us newbie collectors curl up into a fetal position :D

Zen.., Louie.., everyone starts from somewhere.., and if you think about it.., they'll all be back out on the market at some point ~~> hopefully not because some of us are standing outside 7-11 Stores with signs reading....."Homeless Veteran with Balisongs for Sale".... :(

Heck, some of you younger guys have the opportunity of a lifetime as far as Collecting Balisongs in this new era, simply because this is a totally unprecedented time related to the number of talented makers and Balisong designers that are out there currently.

It's always fun (and interesting) to see the roots of the knife in this country, and of course Jody was a huge part of that in terms of raising the bar beyond anyone's expectations at the time. It is also good to remember that Jody never did (and still doesn't), consider himself a maker of Balisongs, and never made handles at all. For that reason he will always remain a talented inigma that contributed through his innovative profiling.

Bottom line.., you guys are both off to fantastic starts.., and there is so much nice stuff to WANT now.., it frankly amazes me. I'm sure some of the other older members of the Balisong Community feel the same way ~~~~> SO MUCH GOOD STUFF!

By getting started now.., you will be the major collectors and Balisong enthusiasts of the future ~~> no doubt at all about that. Building your knowledge base through Forums like this one is the key.

And Zen.., your site is really coming along....great job!

Osprey Guy
06-25-2004, 10:48 PM


I was pretty much introduced to the world of knives through the CKDForums (now of course aka KnifeNetwork), and they have been home to me for the past two years (I've only just recently begun to tiptoe into the "other" forums...and it's mostly been the other balisong forums I've been visiting). So it's especially great seeing these balisong forums take off...right here in my own "backyard" to speak.

This thread, and all of it's photos (and accompanied discussion) is very much like an exciting (and educational) history lesson...I love it!!! Keep it coming!!! :101

Dennis Greenbaum

Yeah Baby! :smokin

06-27-2004, 02:52 PM
Thanks Dennis...nice of you to come by. We're hoping it goes well over here and is also fun for everyone.

Guys/gals..., wait until you see some of the "Kits" this guy builds!!!


06-27-2004, 07:24 PM
yeah well guys like you , tony , Dudley make me just stick to my guns and keep at it and it's not that i need to catch up since all of you guys have been at it way longer then me. I love them , i can't get enough of them and soon enough me and Zen will be the guys putting up stuff that the next generation will drool over , but right now i need a little drip pail to catch it.... you guys have some of the best bali's i seen. Pete if i haven't said it lately man thank you for all the advice and guiding you are a true mentor.

06-27-2004, 08:21 PM
Pete if i haven't said it lately man thank you for all the advice and guiding you are a true mentor.

Here, here.............! ;)

Well said. :)

09-26-2004, 12:09 PM
When did the "R" start appearing near the butterfly?

10-20-2004, 08:58 AM
When did the "R" start appearing near the butterfly?

I think this would be a question to ask Chuck G............he knows everything! :lol