View Full Version : Basalard anyone?


sjaqua
09-09-2003, 02:58 PM
Well I'm working on a basalard right now. I'll post a W.I.P. photo soon and a finished photo when I'm done.

The style of basalard I'm doing is based on two 14th century examples in Daggers and Fighting Knives of the Western World . They are the single and double edge ones shown with the integral handle/guard and slab handles.

So far I'm doing less bladesmithing and more stock removal then usual. I started with 2 inch wide piece of steel and used my bandsaw to cut out the blade and make the cuts in at the quillions and pommel area. But I forged out my point and used the hammer chisel finish the cuts to clear the handle area.

I doing a basalard mostly because I think I have only ever seen one maker offer them before.

OldMan
09-10-2003, 08:17 AM
How about a picture of a basalard??

I am curious about this design, but can't seem
to find a picture on the Internet and I don't have
the book you mentioned.

regards,
OldMan

JensJ
09-10-2003, 09:53 AM
Here's a picture of one I just found in the net:
baselard (http://www.claudiospage.com/baselard.htm)

And another one, with a bit of historic information:
swiss dagger (http://www.peterfiner.com/Edged_Weapons/4013/4013.htm)

I'm looking forward to your baselard, sjaqua.

sjaqua
09-10-2003, 11:22 AM
http://www.historicenterprises.com/haa/imgs/gallery/baselard.jpg


This is a an example of a reproduction of the knife I'm basing my design on. The only difference will be that I use tubes, instead of pins (like the originals) and I am using a straighter, hollow ground blade shape. Plus I decided the finish piece needed some texture. So I stabilized a couple of lace wood handle slabs last night.

I'll try to post the work in progress photo tonight or tomorrow. Should have it finished by Saturday.

Roger Gregory
09-10-2003, 01:13 PM
Thanks for posting the pictures Scott. Having buried that particular book somewhere I really thought I was going to have to conduct an archaeological dig for it :D

Looks like an interesting design and I'm definitely looking forward to seeing your version of it. The lacewood certainly seems like a nice addition.

Roger

JensJ
09-10-2003, 02:13 PM
Hi Scott,
it seems that there are a lot of variations of the baselard-in some texts, it says they can be dagger to short sword length... I like the clean, unclutter look of the one you posted.

In case anybody is interested, I found another picture of one made by a German knifemaker, G?nther Boelke, some time ago-its more along the line of the ones I posted above and has a very interestin sheath:


baselard by Boelke (http://www.boehlke-messer.de/start_en.htm)

-sorry, the direct link doesn't want to work: go to samples-scroll down to 'Schweizer Dolch'

Jens.

hammerdownnow
09-10-2003, 03:19 PM
Baselard by Boelke


http://www.boehlke-messer.de/images/schweiz1.jpg

sjaqua
09-11-2003, 11:42 AM
Ok, here is the first image I promised. This is the blade in progress. Art this point the blade it self has achieved it's final shape and just needs a little more polish work. I still need to refine the handle/hilt area prior to mounting the handle slabs. I want to even-up the cross pieces and tapper the handle a little more.

http://sjaqua.tripod.com/017_WIP.JPG

Don Halter
09-11-2003, 04:32 PM
Cool pics! I keep starting to do a baselard, but they always end up something else. Of course now I have an itching to do the eared dagger!



This one was originally going to be a baselard...now it's tagged for a rondel dagger:D. 3 Steels mixed, 8" bladelength, single edge with false upper edge. One of these days I'll finish it!
http://home.armourarchive.org/members/krag/baselard1.jpg

This one also was going to be a baselard...now it's just a generic single edged, 15" bladed long dagger in need of a pommel. 1050 steel with mokume and 304 fittings. Claycoated and quenched in oil (neat "hamon" in the light). Purple heart handle, psuedo-coffing style. I'll have more pics when it's finished in another decade or so...
http://home.armourarchive.org/members/krag/royal1.jpg

KandS_KNIVES
09-13-2003, 11:31 PM
Isn't this basalard knife, just a different style of the Roman short sword or gladius. To me they look very similar, or am I seeing things. Maybe I am thinking of the roman knife, but would like to know your opinions, as they are really nice looking blades.

Ken Beatty

sjaqua
09-15-2003, 11:36 AM
Yes and no.......

While it's true that there isn't really new much under the sun, in knives, it's the details that count. The Baselard is unique in that the butt-plate pommel is the same width or wider then the guard. It is the "I" beam shape of the handle/guard/pommel that is distinct to the Baselard, not the blade shape.

sjaqua
10-06-2003, 12:22 PM
http://sjaqua.tripod.com/17.JPG

Well here is the finished photo. The wood handle slabs proved to be too brittle the way I was doing them. So I went with Ivory paper Micarta instead.

hammerdownnow
10-06-2003, 12:31 PM
Scott, nice job on that daggar grind. I like the micarta too. I was getting ready to post this for you to see just as you posted. Freaky!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3245961448&category=4005&rd=1